bill clinton so identified with him and what he accomplished. he was a hero for people of clinton's age and my age and hillary clinton as much as white people as well. people of all color. he represented the good that could come out of struggles. >> let's go to the grio. joy, how impactful will nelson mandela be in american life moving forward? >> you know, ed, i think truly is one of the greatest citizens. stretching back to the 60s and 70s and into the 80s, the civil rights movement, the vietnam war and the antiwar movement and mandela movement on campuses and american kid who is had never been to the continent of africa, but identified with the suffering of 85% of that population who had no rights. >> my dad used to go to africa on business. he could go into the country on business and had more rights than 85% of the people he came in contact with. they had literally no rights. the extraordinary brutality where 15% of the population utterly suppressed 85% of the population. to work in the mines and the homes of white citizens. the brutality o